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and ironically if you repeal obama care, and i've become fond of this terms, obama care. if you repeal it, what happens, those seniors right away will be paying $600 more in prescription care. they'll now have to pay co pays for basic checkups that could keep them healthier. and the primary beneficiary of that repeal are insurance companies that are estimated to gain billions of dollars back when they aren't making seniors any healthier, and i don't think that's the right approach when it comes to making sure that medicare is stronger over the long term. >> we'll talk about -- specifically about health care in a moment. do you support the voucher system, governor? >> what i support is no change for current retirees and near retirees to medicare and the president supports taking $716 billion out of that program. >> what about the voucher. >> that's number one. >> all right. >> number two is for people coming along that are young, what i'd do to make sure that we can keep medicare in place for them, is to allow them to either choose the current medicare program or a private
and ironically if you repeal obama care, and i've become fond of this terms, obama care. if you repeal it, what happens, those seniors right away will be paying $600 more in prescription care. they'll now have to pay co pays for basic checkups that could keep them healthier. and the primary beneficiary of that repeal are insurance companies that are estimated to gain billions of dollars back when they aren't making seniors any healthier, and i don't think that's the right approach when it comes...
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there is a noise exception right now as we welcome president obama and governor romney. [applause] revi >> welcome to you both. let's start with the economy, a segment one. let's start with jobs. what are the major differences between the two of you about how you would go about creating new jobs? you have two minutes to start. mr. president, you will go first. >> i want to thank the university of denver for your hospitality. 20 years ago, i became the luckiest man on earth because michelle obama agreed to marry me. so i just want to wish, sweetie, you have the anniversary and let you know that a year from now we will not be celebrating it in front of 40 million people. [laughter] four years ago, we went through the worst financial crisis since the great depression. millions of jobs were lost. the auto industry was on the brink of collapse. the financial system had frozen up. because of the resilience and determination of the american people, we began to fight our way back. over the last 30 months, we have seen 5 million jobs in the budget we have seen 5 million jobs crea
there is a noise exception right now as we welcome president obama and governor romney. [applause] revi >> welcome to you both. let's start with the economy, a segment one. let's start with jobs. what are the major differences between the two of you about how you would go about creating new jobs? you have two minutes to start. mr. president, you will go first. >> i want to thank the university of denver for your hospitality. 20 years ago, i became the luckiest man on earth because...
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>> obama: i don't. >> romney: again, that's for future people -- >> obama: i understand. so if you are 54 or 55 you might want to listen because this will affect you. the idea which was originally presented by congressman ryan your running mate is that we would give a voucher to seniors, and they could go out in the private marketplace and buy their own health insurance. the problem is that because the voucher wouldn't necessarily keep up with health care inflation it was estimated that this would cost the average senior about $6,000 a year. now, in fairness what governor romney has now said is he'll maintain traditional medicare alongside of it. but what happens is those insurance companies are pretty clever at figuring out who are the younger and healthier seniors, they recruit them and every health care economist who looks at it says over time what happen will happen is the traditional medicare system will collapse. and then you have folks like my grandmother at the mercy of the private insurance system when they are most in need of decent health care. so i don't think
>> obama: i don't. >> romney: again, that's for future people -- >> obama: i understand. so if you are 54 or 55 you might want to listen because this will affect you. the idea which was originally presented by congressman ryan your running mate is that we would give a voucher to seniors, and they could go out in the private marketplace and buy their own health insurance. the problem is that because the voucher wouldn't necessarily keep up with health care inflation it was...
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hall is going to be more friendly to obama. i got to tell you the obama that i saw and noelle, i will ask you to comment on this seemed angry and disengaged and disgusted, arrogant? >> i looked at obama and i actually think that he was -- this was beneath him. i think that he thought i'm the president of the united states and i have to stand up here and argue against this guy. >> judge jeanine: why didn't he rebut the facts and then why does he he come out the next day and say you saw a different guy? you you could have said it the next before. >> i think he was poorly prepared. >> hog wash! he is the president. >> he is defending his own record. >> and bill clinton wanted to be confronted. i don't believe this president wants to be confronted. i don't believe he was and i think lost his focus. >> he is confronted by the reporters all the time. >> judge jeanine: he is smart. why does very to prepare? he does this job, doug. >> he recents it. >> judge, you were a lawyer and a very good one. there is lawyer smart and debating sma
hall is going to be more friendly to obama. i got to tell you the obama that i saw and noelle, i will ask you to comment on this seemed angry and disengaged and disgusted, arrogant? >> i looked at obama and i actually think that he was -- this was beneath him. i think that he thought i'm the president of the united states and i have to stand up here and argue against this guy. >> judge jeanine: why didn't he rebut the facts and then why does he he come out the next day and say you...
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just moments from now, we expect president obama and his republican challenger, mitt romney, to take the stage for the first of three presidential debates. both candidates have spent most the cameras to prepare for tonight's debate. for governor romney, he has logged plenty of debate time during the gop primaries but he has not gone head-to-head the presidency untillnow. tonight's face-off will focus on domessic policy, including health care, the role of governments, and the number one issue on voters' minds, the economy. you can expect both candidates to have a say on the 8.1% of the unemployment rate and the national debt. keep in mind with early voting under way in 10 states already, many americans have already cast their ballots. still governor romney and presideet obama have plenty of opportunity to hurt or help their campaign in the next nine minutes. no cheering, no. now, the moderator, jim lehrer of pbs. >> good evening from maaness arena at the university of denver in denver colorado. i am jim lehrer of pbs news hour, and i welcome the new to the first of the 2012 presidenti
just moments from now, we expect president obama and his republican challenger, mitt romney, to take the stage for the first of three presidential debates. both candidates have spent most the cameras to prepare for tonight's debate. for governor romney, he has logged plenty of debate time during the gop primaries but he has not gone head-to-head the presidency untillnow. tonight's face-off will focus on domessic policy, including health care, the role of governments, and the number one issue on...
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let me tell you exactly what obama care did. number one, you've got health insurance, it doesn't mean a government takeover. you keep your own insurance. you keep your own doctor. but it does say insurance companies can't jerk you around. they can't impose arbitrary lifetime limits. they have to let you keep your kid on their insurance plan until you're 26 years old. and it also says that you're going to have to get rebates if insurance companies are spending more on administrative costs and profits than they are on actual care. number two. if you don't have health insurance, we're essentially setting up a group plan that allows you to benefit from group rates that are typically 18% lower than if you're out there trying to get insurance on the individual market. now, the last point i would make before. >> two minutes is up, sir. >> i had five seconds before you interrupted me was that the irony is that we've seen this model work really well. in massachusetts. because governor romney did a good thing. working with democrats in th
let me tell you exactly what obama care did. number one, you've got health insurance, it doesn't mean a government takeover. you keep your own insurance. you keep your own doctor. but it does say insurance companies can't jerk you around. they can't impose arbitrary lifetime limits. they have to let you keep your kid on their insurance plan until you're 26 years old. and it also says that you're going to have to get rebates if insurance companies are spending more on administrative costs and...
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obama care is on the list. i use that term with all respects. >> i like it. >> good. >> i'll get rid of that. jim i'm going to stop subsidy to pbs. i like pbs and i like you, too. but i'm not going to spend money on things to borrow money from china to pay for it. >> the fact is if you're running the race the way you describe, governor and it's not possible to come up with enough deductions and loophole that's only fikt high income individuals to avoid either raising the deficit or burdening the middle class, it's math. it's arithmetic. >> republicans insist the policies are failures and democrats say governor romney doesn't have a specific plan. republican senator johnson joins us from denver. you've been in the bubble of the debate. and most people sh most polls which are inaccurate show governor romney won this debate. and i'm curious what you think overall impact will be for the candidate? >> this is a really great performance by the governor. and i think it resets the campaign giving him on opportunity to
obama care is on the list. i use that term with all respects. >> i like it. >> good. >> i'll get rid of that. jim i'm going to stop subsidy to pbs. i like pbs and i like you, too. but i'm not going to spend money on things to borrow money from china to pay for it. >> the fact is if you're running the race the way you describe, governor and it's not possible to come up with enough deductions and loophole that's only fikt high income individuals to avoid either raising the...
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>> why didn't obama say that? >> why didn't obama say that? yeah, we have established he could have had a better debate, if he had been more, what, up on the sound bites, if you will. and also if he didn't stirt like i do, but the fact is that romney was giving the impression all this money was going to solyndra. it is not. even solyndra isn't that bad but that's a question for another time. >> this country is on the way to energy independence because of fracking, because of the new technologies that enable us to get both natural gas and oil out of shale that we never were able to do before. that is going to change the whole economy of this country and dramatically reduce our dependency on the middle east. it's long overdue. >> wind and solar is like 1% of that 90 billion that romney cited. there was also money there, 3 billion to clean up a nuclear plant. so again, he played with the figures. but the romney that showed up the other night was not the romney we saw on the campaign trail earlier. he suddenly is now
>> why didn't obama say that? >> why didn't obama say that? yeah, we have established he could have had a better debate, if he had been more, what, up on the sound bites, if you will. and also if he didn't stirt like i do, but the fact is that romney was giving the impression all this money was going to solyndra. it is not. even solyndra isn't that bad but that's a question for another time. >> this country is on the way to energy independence because of fracking, because of...
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is it what president obama promised when he was candidate obama four years ago? no. but is it better than where we've been for the last 40 months? yes. i also think that we're going to see how this momentum thing plays out because we have so very many events coming one right after the other. we have a vice presidential debate in a few days followed by another presidential debate. we have a lot to see yet. >> it is widely agreed, speaking of debates, that mitt romney won the first debate, but did americans, particularly undecided voters get the whole story. cnn did some fact checking on comments made at the debate this week. i want you to listen to this on the topic of the deficit, first. >> mitt romney claims that even with his tax cuts, he will not add to the deficit. >> my number one principle there is no tax that that will add to the deficit. i will not put in place a deficit thdea tax that adds to the deficit. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. >> we want to look at the facts here, again. mitt romney has not laid out specific
is it what president obama promised when he was candidate obama four years ago? no. but is it better than where we've been for the last 40 months? yes. i also think that we're going to see how this momentum thing plays out because we have so very many events coming one right after the other. we have a vice presidential debate in a few days followed by another presidential debate. we have a lot to see yet. >> it is widely agreed, speaking of debates, that mitt romney won the first debate,...
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it was do-over obama today. it was kind of like the guy who has all his come-backs five minutes too late, and he had all his come-backs on the campaign trail today, calling mitt romney a whole new person, different kind of candidate, and you saw a very much more aggressive president obama, and i think that's what you will see two weeks from now when he shows up at the next debate with romney in new york. aa >> jim, on the campaign trail, governor romney today more energized? >> absolutely. we were with him on his campaign plane during the day and as he got on the plane, he was smiling, he was laughing with his campaign staff. there was a spring in his step. there was an air of confidence in this campaign that i haven't seen in several weeks and in talking to senior romney advisor eric fehrnstrom, he said to me if this was a prize fight, they would have stopped the fight. that's how well they think mitt romney did. they're not going to be taking their foot off the gas pedal, i can tell you that the romney campaig
it was do-over obama today. it was kind of like the guy who has all his come-backs five minutes too late, and he had all his come-backs on the campaign trail today, calling mitt romney a whole new person, different kind of candidate, and you saw a very much more aggressive president obama, and i think that's what you will see two weeks from now when he shows up at the next debate with romney in new york. aa >> jim, on the campaign trail, governor romney today more energized? >>...
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unfortunately for the obama campaign that's the obama i saw on the stage tonight. it was not a strong performance by him. and even democrats and close obama aides acknowledge that romney was ahead on stylistic points, on zingers, they feel good about when obama was talking to the camera, to the voters and they feel good that romney, in their view, was doubling down on policies, but ultimately, performance wise, this was a strong night for mitt romney. >> david muir, we saw the big smile on mitt romney immediately after the debate. some results already coming in, romney's odds going up. >> yeah, that smile spills relief on romney's face tonight. within the campaign, too, george. in fact, i got a text before the debate was over from a key adviser who said "mission accomplished." the governor looked to put the president on the defensive. they think that was accomplished here tonight. also, you heard governor romney right out of the gate come out here and talk about a woman that he met on the trail in a last couple of days, talking about economic hardship. that was ano
unfortunately for the obama campaign that's the obama i saw on the stage tonight. it was not a strong performance by him. and even democrats and close obama aides acknowledge that romney was ahead on stylistic points, on zingers, they feel good about when obama was talking to the camera, to the voters and they feel good that romney, in their view, was doubling down on policies, but ultimately, performance wise, this was a strong night for mitt romney. >> david muir, we saw the big smile...
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i want to see romney and obama the man. i want to see them -- you know, i can watch ads that put their platforms forward. i can read their websites. but i want to see them speak freely. i think most of america is hungry for that. >> maybe it would be fun to have them at the nerdland table. have a little longer on this show, 90 minutes. chat it up. that's not what they are like. they do have topics. they're going to go to colorado, the site of two major acts of gun violence and nobody is going to talk about that. should they be discussing that? >> they should be discussing that. a guy came up to me from new jersey and said, you know, it would be nice if we could do something like this around poverty like camden and detroit and a bunch of other places. it would be nice to hear mitt romney talk about how he helps the wealthy and middle class. what's his plan to get people out of poverty. >> this is the story behind the numbers. you can have unemployment and still have poverty because of the nature of wage stagnation. you were
i want to see romney and obama the man. i want to see them -- you know, i can watch ads that put their platforms forward. i can read their websites. but i want to see them speak freely. i think most of america is hungry for that. >> maybe it would be fun to have them at the nerdland table. have a little longer on this show, 90 minutes. chat it up. that's not what they are like. they do have topics. they're going to go to colorado, the site of two major acts of gun violence and nobody is...
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the obama campaign -- they did a smart thing today. got up bright and early this morning realizing they took a loss last night and began pointing out where governor romney had not said what he said before, had not stuck to the truth. however, we learned again last night, if we needed reminding, that there's power in taking the view. listen, i'm frequently in error, but never in doubt. i believe what i'm telling you. and that carries its own power and strength. >> especially when you're talking to 50 million or 60 million people at a time. that is a perfect segue to everything we're doing in the rest of the hour on this show. dan rather, always such an honor to have you. >> thank you, rachel. enjoy to be on. >> "dan rather reports" is on axs tv. okay. we'll be right back. save up to 35% and get 3 years interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. but hurry, sleep train's inventory clearance sale ends columbus day. ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ >>> okay. we do not expect from the romney campaign and their surrogates any level
the obama campaign -- they did a smart thing today. got up bright and early this morning realizing they took a loss last night and began pointing out where governor romney had not said what he said before, had not stuck to the truth. however, we learned again last night, if we needed reminding, that there's power in taking the view. listen, i'm frequently in error, but never in doubt. i believe what i'm telling you. and that carries its own power and strength. >> especially when you're...
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yoo does the obama campaign have that option? >> i don't think so. >> i think the first debate will be remembered for romney one and two, big bird. and that is the image that will be on saturday night live. the only way to turn that to his advantage is to call him out on it and use the results of the first debate to improve his performance. remember, he went into a preevent defense and sitting on his lead. he is a good performer and good guy. >> jonathan, thank you for being here. i was excited to talk about this and i interrupted you a lot, i'm sorry. it turns out we have an unfortunate scoop. and it is out of pennsylvania and that story is coming up next. stay with us. >>> before the big unaffordable news, on tuesday of this week, something big happened. on tuesday a pennsylvania judge ruled that voters don't need a voter id to vote in this year's election. voter rules that were going to dinnen franchise up to one in eight voters in that big swing state were put on hold. but whether or not voters don't participate in this elect
yoo does the obama campaign have that option? >> i don't think so. >> i think the first debate will be remembered for romney one and two, big bird. and that is the image that will be on saturday night live. the only way to turn that to his advantage is to call him out on it and use the results of the first debate to improve his performance. remember, he went into a preevent defense and sitting on his lead. he is a good performer and good guy. >> jonathan, thank you for being...
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barack obama is 6'1" and 175. romney is a little more plotting as a fighter, a little bit more mechanical. obama perhaps a little lighter but maybe not punching quite as hard. if you're looking for a fight scorecard, look at those metrics to start. one other thing that i think is important to remember in this. you talk about the advantage of presidency, but there's a disadvantage, which is a rhetorical strength barack obama didn't have the last time he debated. anything he says about a foreign country can be judged in diplomatic terms when he talks about issues and congress. these are blow up. he knows too much in a way and has to figure out how to bring back the knowledge set to what he says publicly both from a legal and sort of intelligence standpoint and also just from a good politicliolitical standpoi. >> he knows too much. >> jonathan, i think i can count on you to be objective with me. some would argue that obama has been given something of a pass on his record over the past year, and this might be the firs
barack obama is 6'1" and 175. romney is a little more plotting as a fighter, a little bit more mechanical. obama perhaps a little lighter but maybe not punching quite as hard. if you're looking for a fight scorecard, look at those metrics to start. one other thing that i think is important to remember in this. you talk about the advantage of presidency, but there's a disadvantage, which is a rhetorical strength barack obama didn't have the last time he debated. anything he says about a...
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obama: time to end it. romney: now, in one year you provided $90 billion in breaks to the green energy world. now, i like green energy as well, but that's about 50 years' worth of what oil and gas receives, and you say exxonmobil -- actually, this $2.3 billion goes largely to small companies, to drilling operators and so forth. but, you know, if we get that tax rate from 35% down to 25%, that $2.8 billion is on the table. of course it's on the table. that's probably not going to survive to get that rate down to 25%. but don't forget, you put $90 billion, like 50 years' worth of breaks into solar and wind, solyndra and fisker and tesla and enter one. i had a friend who said you don't just pick the winners and losers, you pick the losers. all right? so this is not the kind of policy you want to have if you want to get energy secure. the second topic, you said you'd get a deduction for taking a plant overseas. look, i've been in business for 25 years. i have no idea what you're talking about. i maybe need to g
obama: time to end it. romney: now, in one year you provided $90 billion in breaks to the green energy world. now, i like green energy as well, but that's about 50 years' worth of what oil and gas receives, and you say exxonmobil -- actually, this $2.3 billion goes largely to small companies, to drilling operators and so forth. but, you know, if we get that tax rate from 35% down to 25%, that $2.8 billion is on the table. of course it's on the table. that's probably not going to survive to get...
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so for the romney campaign they want you to think 8.1% unemployment and think barack obama and the obama campaign wants you to think 47%. they want you to think of romney's effective tax rate at 14%. but the president didn't go there tonight. he missed those opportunities and left an opening for the romney campaign. >> pelley: >> pelley: juliana, thank you very much. joining us right now is major garrett from "national journal." one of the subjects covered tonight was health care, the affordable care act which some people call obamacare a term the president endorsed tonight. he said he liked that term. i wonder what you thought of the cases that were made by governor romney and the president on health care. >> scott great to be with you. i thought the health care debate was a prism into which to look at the entire economic debate which this debate was focused on largely. but health care talked about jobs, mitt romney said the president's health care law will cost jobs. the president said no it will provide jobs and security. so you saw strong contrast between the perceptions of what the
so for the romney campaign they want you to think 8.1% unemployment and think barack obama and the obama campaign wants you to think 47%. they want you to think of romney's effective tax rate at 14%. but the president didn't go there tonight. he missed those opportunities and left an opening for the romney campaign. >> pelley: >> pelley: juliana, thank you very much. joining us right now is major garrett from "national journal." one of the subjects covered tonight was...
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and for him to be successful, he must convince obama voters in massachusetts and obama is expected to win by double digits up there, to also vote for him, a republican. susan milligan is a contributing editor to "u.s. news & world report," and michael steele is the former chairman of the republican national committee, also an msnbc political analyst. i'm going to try to look at this down the middle. i saw the whole debate today. i was fascinated. i think david gregory did a hell of a job. like a referee in a boxing match. each candidate had a tough moment or two. here is warren tripped up, i think, when asked to name a republican she could work with. just name a senator or any bunch of them. here is what she said. let's watch. >> can you name some republicans in the senate today that you are able to work with on big issues, substantive issues, that the country faces? >> i think probably richard lugar would be one that would come to mind. >> he's not going to be there. >> he's not going to be there. >> who else could you name, senator? >> that is a problem. let me do this one -- let me
and for him to be successful, he must convince obama voters in massachusetts and obama is expected to win by double digits up there, to also vote for him, a republican. susan milligan is a contributing editor to "u.s. news & world report," and michael steele is the former chairman of the republican national committee, also an msnbc political analyst. i'm going to try to look at this down the middle. i saw the whole debate today. i was fascinated. i think david gregory did a hell...